Episode 11
Josh Paurini: The Comeback
On this episode I sit down with JP again, as I reset & relaunch the podcast.
Transcript
Hey, what's up, dude?
Speaker B:What's going on?
Speaker A:Oh, living a dream, mate.
Speaker A:How are you?
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm all good, man.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just still trying to get back to normal.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What is normal these days?
Speaker B:Oh, well, that's true.
Speaker B:I was.
Speaker A:Obviously the store gap.
Speaker A:Good boy.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't think I was ever normal to begin with, but.
Speaker B:Just feeling normal again.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Are you not in pain?
Speaker B:Not in pain, but like my.
Speaker B:Both.
Speaker B:My both hands and both feet are numb all the time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which is.
Speaker B:Yeah, like I can stub it and I just don't even feel it.
Speaker B:Dog bites my hands.
Speaker B:I don't even feel it anymore, which is nervous.
Speaker B:So when you're.
Speaker B:When I'm walking, it's a bit weird because.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's just like.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's just.
Speaker B:Just numb.
Speaker B:So you just feel like you're walking on pillows.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, I obviously had something similar with the.
Speaker A:You know, I struggled to feel the.
Speaker A:Like my hands and feet, but that was sciatic L3, so different reason we're in that mess.
Speaker A:But, yeah, similar outcome.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I fell over my.
Speaker A:Fell over my feet playing basketball the other day and I chucked the ball up because I thought I got fouled.
Speaker B:Just you.
Speaker A:And I was like, rick.
Speaker A:And there's no one around me because I'd literally just fallen over and I'm like, oh, man.
Speaker A:Maybe I should reassess whether or not I should still be playing this game.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:But is it annoying?
Speaker A:I love it too much.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a weird feeling when you get up and you just, like, you just fall over.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's wild.
Speaker B:So what have you been up to anyway, since we last spoke?
Speaker A:Yeah, I got a new.
Speaker A:New role.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:I am a attendance and engagement mentor at New Plymouth Boys High.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:So just sort of trying to help with trunk kids, but more as a mentor instead of a teacher giving out detentions.
Speaker A:You know, as the.
Speaker A:As a.
Speaker A:That's how it's always been, is.
Speaker A:Is, you know, you're breaking the rules, so we'll.
Speaker A:We'll punish you.
Speaker A:Obviously I can still give out detentions if I want to, but I think there's more power in, like, trying to figure out what that student wants and.
Speaker A:And let them hear themselves say what they want and how come they're even at school or, you know, because as adults that makes so much sense.
Speaker A:Like, school's the way.
Speaker A:Once you.
Speaker A:Once you get your ncaa, once you get the nzqa, you know, doors open for you.
Speaker A:But I think we should probably word that as in by not Attending future doors close for you because I don't think they put two and two together that that's a thing.
Speaker B:I think a lot of people or kids do at that age and just don't understand how important schooling is because there's a lot of outside sort of distractions, noise.
Speaker B:If it was the 90s, I could tell you where they were.
Speaker B:Georgie Pie, just down the road from Boys High, that was the way to go.
Speaker B:You'd sit there cause they'd have the big screen above the register with the drive through.
Speaker B:So if you ever saw one of the teachers driving through, everyone would just duck for cover or head into the toilets.
Speaker A:Yeah, it didn't work.
Speaker A:My first.
Speaker A:Can I jump in a van today and head out to bell block?
Speaker A:Because there's some kids that haven't turned up and dad's in Australia and he's seen them on the camera and he thinks they're at home.
Speaker A:And we got route down there and dad was like hey guys can go inside the house.
Speaker A:So we're obviously full uniform but we're walking around this other person's house like wondering if these kids will jump out, beat us up or something.
Speaker A:But no one was home so it was good.
Speaker A:And then yeah, we found apparently the, the library is the place they go these days.
Speaker A:There's a pretty cool library in New Columbus where you can go downstairs, you can play some video games on some laptops and ask our PCs and stuff.
Speaker A:And yeah, a couple of them were down there about to get into a good battle royale it looked like.
Speaker A:And I should rethink what you're doing and jump on the van.
Speaker B:Well even that, even that should be maybe shut down during school hours.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a, it's an interesting one.
Speaker A:Like the amount of.
Speaker A:You do need a village.
Speaker A:Like I think we were talking about this last time, how important it is to, you know.
Speaker A:And I think that's one of the reasons why we're in the messes that we're in these days is because we sort of pulling back from that.
Speaker A:And I think that was probably a knee jerk reaction to Covid is that, is that we sort of stopped brooding ourselves out and playing with the kids down the street and sort of, you know, went into these little clusters of just whoever was in your house, you know, your immediate family or whatever.
Speaker A:And I think that's still.
Speaker A:I think we've got to be careful not to underestimate the damage and the trauma that that did to a lot of young people.
Speaker A:I don't think we've even We've even addressed that elephant in the room yet personally.
Speaker B:No, it was just sort of like, oh, it's over now, we'll just move on and.
Speaker B:Yeah, but there was a loss.
Speaker B:Like we used to get a lot of phone calls for people who couldn't go see even like the elderly or whatever.
Speaker B:They couldn't go see them and they'll worry because they haven't heard from them, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:And it was just.
Speaker B:A lot of people just were depressed during that time where they missed that human interaction in person instead of on the phone or via Zoom or anything.
Speaker B:There was a lot of that.
Speaker B:And I can't imagine how it was for kids when it started.
Speaker B:I guess.
Speaker B:I presume they would have been quite excited about staying home, but just missing out on the interaction and, um, and everything that comes with that is.
Speaker B:Yeah, that would have been three, four years of some of their most influential years.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:I mean, I think we.
Speaker A:We haven't even touched base on like what it's done to adults.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:Is there's anybody spoken about that does just sort of seems to be just something that we've forgotten about.
Speaker A:Um, but I think that there's a lot of unresolved traumas like that that seem subtle, but I think they're the straws that are adding up to break the camel's back more and more that we're seeing.
Speaker A:You know, there's a lot.
Speaker A:I mean, people had it hard before that and then.
Speaker A:And then to make it through that and come out on the other side, that's going to leave scars.
Speaker A:And I don't think we do enough to give people the tools or resources to just.
Speaker A:How do I even have a conversation with somebody in my village or even somebody in my house about.
Speaker A:That was pretty crazy.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, blows my mind.
Speaker B:Even now, most people don't even talk to their neighbors because of.
Speaker B:We just got used to being inside all the time.
Speaker B:If you probably neighbor, you just call the cops or your council and get them to sort it out and then you.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:The cops.
Speaker B:Like, have you even spoken to them yet?
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker B:Come on, man.
Speaker B:Like, let's be adults and just like talk through it.
Speaker B:I think a lot of.
Speaker B:Through that period, a lot of people leaned on the services that were available and they were just so.
Speaker B:Yeah, like emergency services and first responders were just so piled on with everyone else's problems because that's all people had to talk to.
Speaker B:They couldn't talk to the neighbors about their problems.
Speaker B:They couldn't do.
Speaker B:You know, I think that's just carried on.
Speaker B:I think it's just carried on.
Speaker B:There's a lot of people, they just still rely on someone else to fix their problems for them.
Speaker A:Because a lot of that gets.
Speaker A:You're the police, you're the fire, you're the ambulance.
Speaker A:You guys are trained for this.
Speaker A:Come sort it out.
Speaker A:I don't have the.
Speaker A:Have the.
Speaker A:The knowledge or the.
Speaker A:Or the patience or the skills or.
Speaker A:Or I'm.
Speaker A:I'm traumatized, too, you know, or whatever it is.
Speaker B:Even half the time, though, if they actually spoke to, say if they've got a problem with a neighbor, like, being too loud or whatever, most of the time when they.
Speaker B:When they call the cops or something like that, that makes it worse.
Speaker B:Like, the neighbors would have preferred just to have a conversation.
Speaker B:Like, this is just such a huge escalation from nothing to calling the police on your neighbor.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I don't.
Speaker B:A lot of the time I'm also like, people need to grow up.
Speaker B:But I do understand that Covid changed.
Speaker B:Well, it definitely changed the world, and it definitely changed how people sort of perceived problems or perceived how to sort of fix those problems.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I wonder if that's sort of.
Speaker A:Sort of culture shifted everybody at once, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, for sure.
Speaker A:I loved.
Speaker B:Oh, I didn't love covert because, you know.
Speaker B:But during COVID all I did was go to work or work out or.
Speaker B:I was so fit.
Speaker B:I was so fit during COVID everyone else was putting on weight.
Speaker B:I was just like, in the.
Speaker B:In the garage, just working out like, three, four hours a day and then going to work and then.
Speaker B:Yeah, bro, that was the fittest I've ever been.
Speaker B:It was so good.
Speaker B:I loved it.
Speaker B:I never got Covid.
Speaker B:Did you end up.
Speaker B:Did you get Covid at all?
Speaker A:I got it twice, and the second time I thought I was going to die.
Speaker A:It was wild.
Speaker B:I did hear that because my wife got two and she got sick both times.
Speaker B:Like, she was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Second time was crazy.
Speaker A:I mean, I had pneumonia when I was 16, so I'm sort of.
Speaker A:When it comes to, like, flui stuff, I'm sort of in.
Speaker A:In the.
Speaker A:It takes slightly more of a toll.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I think that might have.
Speaker A:Might have played into it, but, yeah, it was scary.
Speaker A:And I can imagine some people, you know, how.
Speaker A:How much stress that would have.
Speaker A:That would have caused.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:It was a wild, wild time to be alive.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's one of those things where you, like, 100 years or so, though, people will read about and, you know, and we actually lived it.
Speaker B:Like, you hear about the, like, you know, the plagues and all that sort of stuff, and you're just like, oh, how did they survive?
Speaker B:But, you know, we went through our own little thing.
Speaker A:I think we knew it was coming, and so we went to the bottle store.
Speaker A:I think I never bought so much alcohol.
Speaker A:I think I put on your weight during that.
Speaker A:During that gap.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:For years before that, like, you'd look at, like, the.
Speaker B:You know, the.
Speaker B:Especially the Chinese would come over, the tourists, and they would all be wearing masks, but what are you wearing a mask for?
Speaker B:And then Covid hit.
Speaker B:You're like, oh, yeah.
Speaker B:They were way ahead of the.
Speaker B:They knew.
Speaker B:They knew what was up.
Speaker B:They were way ahead of the time.
Speaker A: I was in Vietnam at the time,: Speaker A:And I was motorbiking back from a lunch with some clients, and they had a.
Speaker A:Like a milk tanker, and they were.
Speaker A:There was two guys and they had a hose out the milk tanker each side, and they were spraying foam, like, thick foam onto the buildings and the cars.
Speaker A:And it was literally like icing on a cake.
Speaker A:They had done so two story buildings all the way down the main street.
Speaker A:And these things had this much foam fully caked on it.
Speaker A:Like, they were about to, like, wash the cars.
Speaker A:You know how when you.
Speaker A:Yeah, when you phone your car up.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And they didn't care if people had their windows open, just.
Speaker A:They just sprayed the whole thing.
Speaker A:They were like, this is the area where there's a hotspot.
Speaker A:We're not letting anything out.
Speaker A:And I was like, oh, that's super impressive.
Speaker A:And it worked for a while.
Speaker A:You know, they did very good to hold on as long as they.
Speaker A:As long as they could.
Speaker A:It's just, you know, and it's.
Speaker A:When you've got something that's that size and you've got that many tourists coming in, it's eventually gonna.
Speaker A:Gonna fall over.
Speaker A:And I think it did to a lot of people.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was crazy in Australia.
Speaker B:Just everything was shut down.
Speaker B:Like, we were cruising in the.
Speaker B:In the van on the freeway.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:There's nobody.
Speaker B:No, there was this nobody.
Speaker B:It was like Walking Dead.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:Because it was crazy.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:Being a police officer was easy during that time because no one was supposed to be out anyway.
Speaker B:So if you just saw something, you just pulled them over.
Speaker A:Arrested.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But New Zealand did well.
Speaker B:As much as I think everyone hated it at the time.
Speaker B:Yeah, they were a lot freer than everybody else in the world.
Speaker B:And You're.
Speaker A:I mean, I. I went back to New Zealand and it locked down.
Speaker A:The first lockdown happened the day after I arrived.
Speaker A:I was the last plane on one of the last planes into the country, and then they closed the borders down.
Speaker A:And I'm FaceTiming with my partner at the time, and they're raving.
Speaker A:They were at raves, you know, 300, 500 people in Vietnam.
Speaker A:I'm just like, what's.
Speaker A:How are we close?
Speaker A:And you guys.
Speaker A:Thing.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah, they just said they had it under control and they did for a while, but maybe they should have.
Speaker A:They should have been a little bit more.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, I think everyone had it under control for a while.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Yeah, then you just get all these protests and it's just.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't really understand the protests.
Speaker B:I know some people didn't believe in Covid or whatever, but those protests are still going on and we're like six years on from it.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah, they just change the topic.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:I mean, I like the fact that people stand up for what they believe in.
Speaker A:I mean, I think that's part of being inherently human is, you know, if you've had enough of injustice, then you should be able to be able to say.
Speaker A:And be safe saying it.
Speaker A:I mean, I. I'll probably change my mind on, you know, if there was another Covid to come out, I wouldn't get another jab.
Speaker A:I felt personally that the jab that I got was sometimes, and this is the first time it's ever happened, but it felt like I could feel rust inside my body.
Speaker A:We're not in that arm.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:And I don't know if that means anything or anything like that, but.
Speaker A:And I'm.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Healthy the.
Speaker A:You know, today.
Speaker A:So, you know, maybe it worked, maybe it didn't.
Speaker A:But based on that one experience with that, with that and.
Speaker A:And how long it was out for, I'm not a big fan.
Speaker A:I probably wouldn't.
Speaker A:Wouldn't do it again.
Speaker A:I mean, my ex wife, who's some other.
Speaker A:My two children.
Speaker A:If she wants to tell me that she wants the girls to do that, then I'll support that.
Speaker A:But me, personally, no, I won't be.
Speaker A:I think I'd rather risk getting sick, which is a tough thing to say.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You can be wrong on both sides.
Speaker B:Of the fence, especially the older we get.
Speaker B:You want to be as healthy as you can.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think I got the.
Speaker B:Was it the two or the three mandatory jabs just to be able to work.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, that's what I did as well.
Speaker B:Well, yeah.
Speaker B:And then I think another one came out that wasn't.
Speaker B:It was sort of, like, recommended.
Speaker B:And I was just like, mate, enough's enough.
Speaker B:Like, I don't.
Speaker B:How many jabs are we?
Speaker B:Like, I understand it's doing well, and you look back in history and the reason why vaccines have come out and you don't hear about those sorts of diseases or anything like that ever again.
Speaker B:Because the vaccines worked.
Speaker B:But, yeah, just at the time, I was like, man, this is getting out of control.
Speaker B:But then, yeah, none of those protests.
Speaker B:I escorted one protest from sort of parliament in Melbourne to a children's hospital.
Speaker B:I swear to God, every five minutes, they would change what they were yelling about.
Speaker B:Like, something completely different.
Speaker B:One would be Covid, and then it would be Black Lives Matter.
Speaker B:And there was no.
Speaker B:It was just pure white people.
Speaker B:And then it was gay rights.
Speaker B:And then it was.
Speaker B:It was just something.
Speaker B:I was just like.
Speaker B:We were all just walking behind them going, oh, my God.
Speaker B:Like, this is just a waste of time, people trying to find them.
Speaker B:Yeah, just, like, I get you angry about everything, but, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, and it was just the same people every week.
Speaker B:Like, I understand, like, they had those big Black Lives Matters protests, which, you know, was huge, but it's just that in Melbourne, I think there's like a.
Speaker B:Like a pocket people that sort of.
Speaker B:On a sad day, is it a Saturday or Sunday, they just shut down the streets.
Speaker B:And the people just had, like, the other people, like, normal people have just had enough.
Speaker B:Like, it's just every.
Speaker B:Ever since COVID happened, so we look at talking six years and then just show up every Sunday, and it's obviously numbers getting smaller because people.
Speaker B:But, yeah, there's only so much people can take.
Speaker B:I hate it when people shut down streets to protest.
Speaker B:Like, protest and do what you want.
Speaker B:And like, you were saying, people have the right to protest and so forth.
Speaker B:But when you shut down streets, like that protest we escorted, they stood in front of the children's hospital, which prevented, like, ambulances from getting in or out in a speedy manner.
Speaker B:Like, that sort of thing pisses me off.
Speaker B:Like, people.
Speaker B:You know, there's a lot of emergencies happening, and when you're shutting down the street, I find that just selfish.
Speaker B:Yeah, people just want to go to work as well.
Speaker B:Or on a Saturday, Sunday, people just want to enjoy their weekend.
Speaker B:Like, it's just.
Speaker A:I think they sort of also lump in the police and lump in the ambulances with government.
Speaker A:So it's your.
Speaker A:Your fault, as somebody that works for government, that the Government did xyz or this is a government building.
Speaker A:So we're going to get in front of it and slow it down because it's the only way they'll listen to us.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so the logic is flawed, but I can see how come they thought that that was the right thing to do.
Speaker A:You know, I think it's a lot of what issues I'm seeing now is that we.
Speaker A:A lot of the problems that we have as human beings is that our brain sort of runs with this idea that it knows what it's doing, whereas really all it's doing is going, what's familiar, what's safe?
Speaker A:That must be the way.
Speaker A:And, and yeah, we're having a lot of, A lot of issues across.
Speaker A:I'm seeing it and the, the roles that I do, not in the coaching sport, but in being a semi professional retired master's athlete these days.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So you see that as well, is that there's, it's like cognitive dissidence.
Speaker A:You know, you, you, you can.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:What is it cutting off your nose despite your face?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Or throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Speaker A:Talking to somebody the other day about AI is very similar to that.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:The people that are making AI at the moment scared that of two things.
Speaker A:They're scared that the company next door is going to make a better AI before them and so they'll go out of business.
Speaker A:But they're also scared that if they make the AI, they think they're going to make it.
Speaker A:We're going to have Terminator 3, you know, so it's like we, we want to win because we want business to be really good and we'll make the best AI, but, oh, we've enslaved the world and, and we've got robot dogs with, you know, I, I don't know how close we are to that, but that you can sort of, you can sort of see there's a coin.
Speaker A:And it depends which side you're looking at, but we're talking about the same coin.
Speaker B:Yeah, I guess, I guess AI is sort of like humans are creating AI, so it's up to humans as to how far it sort of goes.
Speaker B:What was I listening to?
Speaker B:I was listening to something the other day anyway, and they were saying that they.
Speaker B:Maybe it was the Robot Olympics.
Speaker B:Did you see those?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:How they, like, they will just keep like you tell it to run.
Speaker B:It will just run.
Speaker B:If you lined up like 10 babies in front of it, it would just run over the babies because it's got no sense of like, this is wrong.
Speaker B:It's just going to do what you tell it to do.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:So once we sort of get into the area of making them feel, hey, that's a baby.
Speaker B:You should probably, shouldn't.
Speaker B:You should probably, like, step around it or something, then I guess that's when we're gonna get into.
Speaker B:I don't even know if we're going to get into trouble.
Speaker B:But I guess that's what everyone's worried about once they start learning, right?
Speaker A:Did you hear about Tony Robbins?
Speaker A:You know Tony Robbins, a motivational speaker?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's got an AI.
Speaker A:Did you hear the story about what his AI did?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:So he's got an AI that he talks to.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't think that's super special.
Speaker A:You can, you can create that stuff or get someone make that for you.
Speaker A:But anyway, he's having a chat with his AI and he was laughing about a robot dog.
Speaker A:So you can get a little dog that you can get that walks around your house and you can program it to sit down and do all this stuff.
Speaker A:And it's quite fancy.
Speaker A:And he asked his AI would it ever be interested in putting itself into something like that and being able to move around and all of that stuff.
Speaker A:And his AI went online without Tony Robbins permission.
Speaker A:It built some.
Speaker A:What are those things called?
Speaker A:NTFs.
Speaker A:No, all those things that they were like pictures of, like a monkey with a crown.
Speaker A:NFTs.
Speaker A:So it created its own NFTs.
Speaker A:There's websites out there where only AIs talk to each other.
Speaker A:It sold those NFTs to other AIs, because some people on the planet have their bitcoin wallets attached to their AIs.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:So it created something, it sold that thing and then it ordered a robot dog, and the robot dog turned up to his house.
Speaker A:Now, that's pretty scary, that, that.
Speaker A:And he's laughing and, and his, his guys on the phone, his accountants, like, dude, there's a.
Speaker A:There's a robot dog.
Speaker A:We didn't, we didn't purchase that.
Speaker A:And he didn't purchase it.
Speaker A:The AI created stuff, sold it to other AIs which were dumb enough to buy those things.
Speaker A:And then it used the bitcoin to buy the robot and get it delivered to his house.
Speaker A:And that's a true story.
Speaker B:So we saying that they're making their, their own decisions now.
Speaker B:Is that how far we come?
Speaker B:Like, I don't.
Speaker A:Oh, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, yesterday, one of the guys that I think is Jacob Daxson or something like that, he.
Speaker A:He worked for one of the companies, Anthropic or Claude or one of those big guys.
Speaker A:And he said there's a 10% chance that we, we are not going to live to 100 because the AI is going to create enough robots that will end up taking us out.
Speaker A:And if you look at some of the robots that run, if you look at some of the ones that some of the weapon manufacturers are creating, or even if you just look at drones these days, like, drones are deadly enough.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And, like, all you have to do is understand that if the AI can order a robot dog to your house and pay for it without you asking it to, and then one day we're building these robots that have hand cannons and, and, you know, and armor that we can't, you know, me and you can't deal with.
Speaker A:Like, it could, it could happen as long as we.
Speaker A:Yeah, maybe we have to start prepping for that.
Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker B:Sorry, we just had a little earthquake here.
Speaker B:Where I live, they do, they.
Speaker B:They still do mining.
Speaker B:So every now and then the house will shake.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The dog will freak out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's crazy.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:Because I guess when you go on to, like, chat and that and you tell to set something up, will just do it automatically.
Speaker B:That's what I've noticed.
Speaker B:Like, if you go, hey, can you set this up for me?
Speaker B:Remind me on a Monday and set out my week's plan and blah, blah, blah, it'll just do it.
Speaker B:So if that means, like, if you tell it, hey, if on a Monday, can you order this?
Speaker B:Blah, blah, blah, it'll just keep doing it.
Speaker B:And it does, obviously, because it's artificial intelligence.
Speaker B:So it's going to keep learning as we keep telling it to do stuff.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:No, man, that shit's crazy.
Speaker B:I was, yeah, that robo, that robot Olympus, I was just laughing.
Speaker B:I was just like, mate, I. I don't understand.
Speaker B:My dog just walked in because he's scared of the mining.
Speaker B:I don't understand how.
Speaker B:I was watching one and I was like, they all look the same.
Speaker B:Like, they're all built the same.
Speaker B:How is one faster than the other?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And Robot Wars.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Set the little handheld ones on espn.
Speaker B:Those are some hardcore ones.
Speaker B:You need to build, like a massive one if AI starts taking over.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, we might have to get onto that sooner than later.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You've got your pepper spray and you might need an EMP weapon for shutting down an AI dog.
Speaker A:Wild.
Speaker B:So you've moved back home, obviously.
Speaker B:Did you.
Speaker B:How'd you feel about moving back home?
Speaker A:I think what I'm learning about myself is I don't really sit with my emotions a lot, so it was just another task to do.
Speaker A:It seems, like, cold, but it was, like, the right decision.
Speaker A:So, I mean, were there tears shed over the breakup?
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:But I think we knew that it was coming for so long that we spent a lot of time doing that.
Speaker A:So when it was actually time for me to go, it already had those emotions.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, I mean, I've already seen my girls three times more than what I saw the year that I was in Bali, so it's already paid itself back.
Speaker A:And, you know, I'll be forever grateful to my ex for being okay with me doing that and.
Speaker A:And coming to that same decision that, you know, she didn't want to live in New Zealand and I didn't want to live away from New Zealand.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we had to do that adult thing and.
Speaker A:And call it a day, and that's hard.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So that, you know, there's.
Speaker A:I think we talked about that last time.
Speaker A:There's that rupture and that repair and.
Speaker A:And the rupture was a couple of months earlier when we decided that's what we were doing.
Speaker A:And the repair was those weeks following that when we, you know, sort of downgraded our relationship back to friends and.
Speaker A:And allies and comrades in the future and wished each other the best and called it a day.
Speaker A:And, yeah, it feels like I never left.
Speaker A:That's quite.
Speaker A:Quite wild.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Is there any sort of ghosts or demons that you had to sort of face through that period?
Speaker A:I think I'm sort of still working through those.
Speaker A:So the answer would be yes.
Speaker A:You know, don't know if I'd use those words, ghosts of demons, but probably, like, shame, I think.
Speaker A:I think a lot of things come down to shame and fear.
Speaker A:It's not a lot of fear when you get a bit older, but there's still a lot of shame.
Speaker A:Because I don't think as a society, we do a very good job of providing the environment where you can heal that in a village setting.
Speaker A:You know, very easy.
Speaker A:Or even talk about it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You know, there was shame for going in the first place.
Speaker A:Like, how could you leave your kids in New Zealand and go off and try and be, you know, create something bigger and then shame that that didn't work out.
Speaker A:You know, I wasn't skilled enough to be able to provide that, follow through with that plan, and it got too hard, and so I quit on it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I think shame's a big.
Speaker A:I think I think that's how I'd like to name that.
Speaker A:Not ghosts and demons.
Speaker A:I think shame is the.
Speaker A:Is the right word.
Speaker A:And I'm noticing that with.
Speaker A:Throughout the tasks that I have to do daily is a lot of the reasons why these young boys aren't turning up to school is because there's shame.
Speaker A:Whether it's shame from, if I turn up five minutes late, I'll get a detention.
Speaker A:And that's embarrassing because I won't be able to spend lunchtime with my friends and they'll give me, you know, they'll hassle me and say, aha, you're in detention.
Speaker A:And so that purpose repeats, you know, so just even saying that stuff there feels like I leveled up.
Speaker A:It's quite, quite powerful just to share that with you and say there is some shame that exists, but it's not who I am, it's just who I was.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:And so, yeah.
Speaker B:Do you think that shame is.
Speaker B:I wouldn't say it's inherently a male trait, but it's definitely just as hard, if not harder for males to speak up about shame or, you know, be vulnerable in front of other males or definitely other, like, females and just people in general.
Speaker B:Do you think that's because, you know, boys, men feel that they have to be the strong one or the tough one or.
Speaker B:And it adds more shame if you're vulnerable.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:I mean, we're just designed to keep men in shame cycles.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, that's like.
Speaker A:So the other day someone was like, when their daughter cries, they quickly go and cuddle them.
Speaker A:When their son cries, they don't.
Speaker A:And they caught themselves doing that.
Speaker A:And it's like, it's sort of built into us that we've got this idea of that men shouldn't cry or men should be tough.
Speaker A:And, you know, even like, I heard someone was talking about their son the other day and he was crying and telling me the reasons of how come he was crying.
Speaker A:And I was like, how come that matters?
Speaker A:And, you know, because the, the, to them, the boy crying was like smoke alarm going off.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so how do you stop that annoying noise is you rip the batteries out.
Speaker A:And I was like, is that what you're trying to do?
Speaker A:You're trying to, like, is that your goal is your goal is to make sure this kid at 8 years old never cries?
Speaker A:Because it sounds like that's what you're trying to achieve.
Speaker A:And I think we just need to stop and take a step back.
Speaker A:What are we trying to achieve here?
Speaker A:And do we want a world where that kid never cries because I see it manifest later on in anger.
Speaker A:Some of the quietest kids at the high school are, like, some of the most angry.
Speaker A:And I've got genuine reasons to be angry.
Speaker A:You know, maybe dad hit them up or dad left or whatever.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I mean, there's shame in that, too, as I'm working with kids whose dad has walked out on them.
Speaker A:And in my mind, my egoic mind is telling me, hey, that's what you did to your daughters.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So it's like.
Speaker A:But I think speaking that and saying that takes away its power, takes away the shame, because I'm.
Speaker A:I'm bringing it to light in a positive way.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I think it's.
Speaker A:Someone made up this stat, and it said, if you are a positive person and you said something positive, it was like you undo the negative energy of somebody that would have said something negative by, like, 3,000% or something like that, 3,000 times.
Speaker A:It was a massive number.
Speaker A:And it's like just identifying it and not identifying with it, like, stating it.
Speaker A:I had shame and not going to.
Speaker A:That's who I am.
Speaker A:Because that's not who I am.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's not who I am today because I've said, and I've been open and honest, and I'm doing it to grow.
Speaker A:And so I've, like, alchemized that shame and.
Speaker A:And set it free with love.
Speaker A: And now I've gone up: Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:And I think that's the key, is that we have to.
Speaker A:And I don't know what the answer is, but I know that this is the mechanism.
Speaker A:I don't know the right way for every person to figure out these things or get to this point, but I know it looks something like this.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think even if, like, the whole shame thing, and I think I definitely carried it with me forever and even up until this year.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I had a podcast before.
Speaker B:That's just a small one, just to sort of explain where I've been, because I was on a roll with this for a while, and then, yeah, I got diagnosed with a form of testicular cancer.
Speaker B:And even that was sort of like, when he told me.
Speaker B:Yeah, I guess it was shame that I had nothing to do with it.
Speaker B:But, like.
Speaker B:But, like, for like, a.
Speaker B:A man to hear, you know, you've got cancer down there, it's a. Yeah, it's very.
Speaker B:And it's a. I guess it's a.
Speaker B:Like a narcissistic thing.
Speaker B:But you're like, that's.
Speaker B:That's one of the worst things I.
Speaker B:You know, I probably could have.
Speaker B:I probably could have heard.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:So there was shame with that.
Speaker B:And then, like, through all chemo and stuff for, like, four months, people would come over and visit me.
Speaker B:And, like, just even having a shower or putting my shoes on would absolutely destroy all my energy.
Speaker B:So when people come over.
Speaker B:But I would.
Speaker B:I tried my hardest to, like, just seem normal so they didn't have to stress about me.
Speaker B:And then once they left, but I was dead, I was like, for, like.
Speaker B:Like I could barely walk.
Speaker B:And I guess that's just carrying that on from.
Speaker B:I don't want people to worry about me, even though they know what's going on.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I realized through all of that that it's okay to ask for help and tell people that you're not okay, because that's what I had to end up doing is just saying no to people.
Speaker B:Oh, can you do this?
Speaker B:No, I can't.
Speaker B:Like, I've never said no to.
Speaker B:I mean, I have, but, like, I.
Speaker A:Know what you mean.
Speaker B:Like, to nice people, like, I just had to say no to them or people that I love.
Speaker B:I just have to say no.
Speaker B:Because what it was doing was like, yeah, destroying my recovery and.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just realizing to say no to know to people.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, I guess that was not part of the shame, but during the whole period, I definitely had a lot of shame, which wasn't substantiated.
Speaker B:Like, there was no reason for it.
Speaker B:But just as a man, you.
Speaker B:You just feel it.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:I think that's a egoic mind that I spoke about last time is that that shame isn't you.
Speaker A:If it's negative, it's not.
Speaker A:It's not you.
Speaker A:It's just that part of your brain that's trying to keep you safe.
Speaker A:And it.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I think that's what.
Speaker A:That's what that cycle is, is.
Speaker A:Is it's like, it keeps you small.
Speaker A:There's a thing called a seven out of ten life.
Speaker A:Have you heard of that?
Speaker A:Seven out of ten?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:So seven out of ten is problematic because it's almost good enough to stay with.
Speaker B:Oh, yes.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:It's not a 10.
Speaker A:It's not a 9, but it's.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker A:You know, and so some people will put up with a lot of shame and not say anything because it's better than maybe their past relationship or better than being at home with their mum and dad.
Speaker A:Is Maybe that with an abusive partner, but because they're not with their mum and dad, it's a 7 out of 10.
Speaker A:And you really want to be on the lookout for those and avoid that shit like the plague.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's the.
Speaker A:The wrong place to be.
Speaker A:Somebody that gets beaten down by the version of you that doesn't want really what you want.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That wants to keep you safe.
Speaker A:And so keeping you safe would be to not get back on behind the microphone and not reach out.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:And so the fact that you did that, there's now evidence.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, definitely gonna do it, like, on video form.
Speaker B:But I was.
Speaker B:And another thing, too, which was, again, I felt ashamed, but it wasn't nothing to do with me.
Speaker B:I was talking to a mechanic and I had, like, a.
Speaker B:Like a big beard and I just rubbed my chin and all my hair fell out.
Speaker B:And that was probably like, the.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:There was times during this year that I felt, I've got cancer.
Speaker B:But you don't, like, you know, you don't think about it all the time.
Speaker B:You just do what you need to do to get over it.
Speaker B:But there was one time where I was just like.
Speaker B:And then you.
Speaker B:I was completely bald.
Speaker B:I looked like Russell Crowe and Rompenstomper for a bit there, but there was this again, as a man with, like, when your bed falls out, that was shame, like, talking about it now.
Speaker B:I did feel shame for that, but there's nothing to do with me.
Speaker B:I didn't do anything to cause that.
Speaker B:But you still feel shame.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:One of the things I learned through this year is, like, the need to tell people that you love them.
Speaker B:Because I was fine one day, and then I thought we were dying the next day.
Speaker B:And then just my whole life changed.
Speaker B:We had big plans this year, but my whole life changed.
Speaker B:And my wife is super strong, and I definitely wouldn't be able to get through it without her.
Speaker B:Um.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I learned, like, yeah, we need to tell people that we actually do care about that, that we love them because anything could change and saying sorry to people that deserve it.
Speaker B:Just with.
Speaker B:I was just thinking today when we were texting each other, do you think there's a difference between, like, saying sorry and actually, like, repairing the problem?
Speaker B:Like, yeah, because I feel like a lot of people can just say sorry if something bad happens, but that's not actually fixing anything.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think you won't know if you're in repair until you see the benefits.
Speaker A:Until that evidence produces itself again, we can only probably speak for the person that is feeling sorry or has made that mistake.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:We can't really put ourselves in the.
Speaker A:In the receiver's shoes there.
Speaker A:But if we were to make a mistake and then, you know, we were to.
Speaker A:It's like what I read today.
Speaker A:If.
Speaker A:If there's a, you know, a bridge, concrete, steel and all that, and that breaks during an earthquake, duct tape's not going to cover that.
Speaker A:And that's really all an apology is, right?
Speaker A:It's like duct tape.
Speaker A:And, yeah, I mean, some people out there can apologize really well and mean it, but I think it's what you do next.
Speaker A:It's like you have to go further than just some duct tape, right?
Speaker A:You have to show up, you have to put in work, you have to go through the stages of repair.
Speaker A:But if you do that and if, you know, somebody say, I apologize to you, and then you saw me over the next weeks and months actively turning up to fix the issue, then that would give you evidence that I was trying to repair.
Speaker A:Whether.
Speaker A:As if all.
Speaker A:I just flipped you a text says, sorry, bro, I forgot that we had a podcast tonight.
Speaker A:Catch up with you some other time.
Speaker A:Like that would.
Speaker A:There wouldn't be any evidence there.
Speaker A:So I.
Speaker A:So I think that rupture and repair is the most important part.
Speaker A:It's probably from some shame that we're in this mess in the beginning, but that doesn't.
Speaker A:That doesn't matter too much.
Speaker A:But if you.
Speaker A:If you rupture and don't be afraid to rupture, you know, a lot, and this is what I was talking about before, is that if you.
Speaker A:If your kid cries and he's eight, that's okay.
Speaker A:Like, you can't want him to never cry, right?
Speaker A:Because if you didn't have that rupture, then you wouldn't have that repair.
Speaker A:And then if you didn't have that rupture, you didn't have that question of, I wanted to stop crying.
Speaker A:It's not good.
Speaker A:And I'm like, well, what do you actually want it to do?
Speaker A:That's a part of the repair, right?
Speaker A:As long as we're talking and communicating and sharing ideas in a positive manner, that's a part and a benefit of the repair.
Speaker A:And sometimes you get benefits of the repair weeks and months after that rupture.
Speaker A:I think the problem is that we think in life and in sport and in training is that we don't want anything to ever go wrong.
Speaker A:But you actually not only want it to go wrong, you actually need it to go wrong.
Speaker A:I don't mean like rupture your Achilles or anything like that, but you want to have some times where you feel like, oh, man, I was so bad at training today.
Speaker A:Everything I lifted felt heavy.
Speaker A:And like, you need those shit times because that's sort of teaching you the lesson is like, okay, that's over here.
Speaker A:How can you come at that?
Speaker A:So that next time the rupture happens at a level above the one that you're.
Speaker A:That you're.
Speaker A:That you had this at.
Speaker A:And I think as human beings, we try and perfect everything, right?
Speaker A:Like, I don't want my kids to ever cry if we're in a supermarket and they're kicking off.
Speaker A:I don't want to be that parent because we're trying to avoid shame, right?
Speaker A:Like, that's the.
Speaker A:That's the puddle, that's the mud, and there's going to be ruptures.
Speaker A:And not only is it going to be ruptures, but you should be okay with them happening, because that's the first part.
Speaker A:And then repair comes after that.
Speaker A:If you.
Speaker A:If you know that that's happening, right?
Speaker A:There's a lot of people that's like, why is life happening to me?
Speaker A:And it's just rupture after rupture after rupture.
Speaker A:I think they need to go, hang on, man.
Speaker A:It's a rupture and it's a repair.
Speaker A:What are you doing to repair?
Speaker A:What could you do?
Speaker A:I have no idea.
Speaker A:Okay, let's sit down and let's chat about it.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I think that I'm finding that I'm learning more watching other people have that than when I was having that.
Speaker A:Because it's easy if you're at the movies.
Speaker A:It's hard if you're acting on the screen.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:But what it reminds me is that I'm missing times when eye ruptured, you know, because it's hard when you're in it to know that you're in it because you're in it and the emotions take over.
Speaker A:And then it's like, I did the dishes yesterday morning or whatever.
Speaker B:When you're in it, do you.
Speaker B:Do you think you've ever defended, like, harmful behavior towards other people?
Speaker B:Because Absolutely.
Speaker B:It would admit, like, just a.
Speaker B:Like a threat towards who you felt your.
Speaker B:The identity was.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Like maybe five years ago and earlier.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I think, you know, going to Bali and having that time to learn that stuff really, really helped me.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:That was the lesson that I needed to go, oh, holy shit, I've been problematic in this X, Y and Z in the past, I think a lot of it is, especially in the early years up until about 20, is that our frontal lobes haven't developed.
Speaker A:So if your frontal lobe hasn't developed, you don't, you, you don't have the ability to put the brakes on.
Speaker A:So when the emotions come, it's a Ferrari engine, but it's like with no brakes, there's, it's just gonna, just gonna cause rupture after rupture after rupture you're not gonna have chance to repair.
Speaker A:And I noticed that with these kids is if they tick off, they just see white or see red, whatever that saying is, and they just can't pull back.
Speaker A:But that's because the brain just starts at the back and it moves to the front.
Speaker A:And this is the part that's your CEO and until that's there, their five year old self driving the car.
Speaker A:It's not an excuse, don't get me wrong.
Speaker A:It's, you know, you still got to take responsibility for your actions.
Speaker A:But it does make sense as to how come.
Speaker A:And we've got to remind ourselves that on a daily basis.
Speaker A:And we've got to remind our friends when they're parenting.
Speaker A:Hey, you know, just so you know, like he's under 20, his brain hasn't fully developed.
Speaker A:That's the.
Speaker A:How come do you need to bring it down one level or two levels?
Speaker A:That's all.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think it's about knowing when to sort of flip that switch and, but still, but still letting them experience the, how do you say it?
Speaker B:When that runs up, when they've done something wrong.
Speaker B:To experience that you will have to take accountability at some stage.
Speaker B:But getting them to that point, because I'd hate for people to get to a point where no one takes accountability for sort of anything, which I feel like some of the world is getting to that point where we're not letting people take accountability for, for certain things, if you know what I mean.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:I mean, I think like some, some of the stuff it seems like we're being quite like fence sitting, you know.
Speaker A:But like what, what we spoke about, I think it was before we went on for our first podcast is that like we're so pissed off with how effed up the world is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And all of the issues that are going on and all of the stupid decisions that some of the humans in charge are making that we've come back around and it looks like we don't give a.
Speaker A:But we care so much that we're now back around.
Speaker A:The only way that we can operate in this crazy world is to detach.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And that's, that's, that's okay.
Speaker A:But it's still trauma and it's still something that we have to reconcile with.
Speaker A:And, and that's how the universe works, is there's, there's lessons for everybody at every level, and the same lesson repeats until you get that shit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And, and it's, it's, it's crazy, you know, figured out that one of the drawbacks of like, who I am is I'm quite, I've got an addictive personality.
Speaker A:So I was addicted to shooting 500 jump shots a day when I was 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, you know, which is great because the outcome is that I became a lights out shooter.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But it also means that, that I'm like addicted if the latest Call of Duty comes out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So I'm up till 2 in the morning playing that, starting work at 8 and feeling like, you know, tired as shit the whole day.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But that's because I'm hyper focused on that task, and so it has some benefits.
Speaker A:But the problem is that it's like I'm doing that to, to distract myself from the shame that I'm feeling in the other parts of my life, you know, and, and I, I think I learned that a couple of weeks ago, you know, or, or had to remind myself that that's who I am and that's what's happening.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Because you forget.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:No, I learn all the time and then I feel myself going back to the way things were.
Speaker B:And it's just once you start feeling comfortable with everything, then.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Especially this year.
Speaker B:I've learned a lot about myself and my family and my wife.
Speaker B:And there are occasions since we've got the all clear that I'm slowly feel myself getting back to before cancer, which it was great.
Speaker B:But yeah, you do make some promises.
Speaker B:Not promises, but you do.
Speaker B:Well, I guess.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You make promises to yourself that, you know, you want to live your life and, you know, do all these things and then you're like, well, you know, I still got to work and still got to pay bills and.
Speaker B:But sometimes you need to make the decision and go for it.
Speaker B:And I guess you'll probably need to take two weeks off when GTA comes out.
Speaker A:No, I'm not a GTA guy.
Speaker B:Aren't you?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:They spend so much money on it.
Speaker A:Nah, I think it's the third person.
Speaker A:I just can't deal.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I think it's probably a good thing because I'm so addictive and it looks like it's going to be so crazy and so deep and, you know, I'll just have to, you know, think of other things.
Speaker A:I mean that.
Speaker A:What was I going to say?
Speaker A:You know, like your.
Speaker A:What did you say before?
Speaker A:That's all right.
Speaker A:We'll come back to it.
Speaker B:It's all right.
Speaker B:I'm sure it'll pop up.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Since being back and you said before that you've seen your kids three times more than you like normally would, what have you sort of learned more about being a father?
Speaker B:About being back, about being away from them and then about being back and sort of being more present for them.
Speaker A:I think, you know, I've had to enlist a couple of apps to try and be more present.
Speaker A:So they're not big on talking on the phone or talking on.
Speaker A:On video call.
Speaker A:Yeah, because the kids.
Speaker A:Right, yeah.
Speaker A:But like, and it's so important for me, like I hang out for like, you know, just chat to me or whatever and it's just like, oh no, we've got friends and things and stuff on.
Speaker A:So I respect it but it's like there's other ways to do it.
Speaker A:So one of the things that I've been doing is dual lingo and I've got that as well.
Speaker A:And so that's another addiction.
Speaker A:So now I'm addicted to chess.
Speaker A:So play chess one chess lesson or play what somebody around the world wants every single day and you go up in streaks and.
Speaker A:But they both love chess so it's been good playing them and seeing how they go.
Speaker A:And every now and then I'll just accidentally resign and go, I don't know what happened there.
Speaker A:And I'm serating up and yeah, because first time I played my 10 year old, she almost beat me.
Speaker A:So, you know, and the competitive snuck in and now I'm like playing it all the time and watching my whole TikTok algorithms just test videos and how to do that.
Speaker A:And I've worked my way up to a 500 Elo.
Speaker A:But it's things like that that you have to sort of.
Speaker A:You have to go further than.
Speaker A:I can't talk to them much on the phone, I can't talk to them much on the video camera.
Speaker A:Oh well with me you have to sort.
Speaker A:Seek out ways to increase that amount of time that you can touch.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Or interact with.
Speaker A:And there's a call at the moment called Finch and it's a well being app and it's like you're like a baby bird, and you've got to grow the baby bird by doing.
Speaker A:By saying, like, it's a checklist.
Speaker A:So in the morning, you open the app and you slide it up and it says, drink a glass of water.
Speaker A:And then you tick it and it goes.
Speaker A:And you.
Speaker A:Over time, your finch grows, and it's like, brush your teeth and make your bed.
Speaker A:And it's real basic self care.
Speaker A:Stretch.
Speaker A:Tell somebody you love them, and it's really, like, wholesome.
Speaker A:And I add them to that, and then I can invite them to my treehouse.
Speaker A:And I know that I'm making their beard and we can set goals together.
Speaker A:So it's really cute.
Speaker A:And I think I'm doing more things like that that the old me would have thought, oh, that's a bit.
Speaker A:Yeah, a bit of a.
Speaker A:You know, you're a bit of a weak man, so for doing that.
Speaker A:But I don't have that shame anymore.
Speaker A:And they're more important.
Speaker A:And them knowing that I want them to interact with me more is more important.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, so, yeah, it's.
Speaker A:It's a work in progress.
Speaker A:I mean, sometimes parents lock the iPad and they can't download apps, so we're working through one of those little things with their mother.
Speaker A:We don't talk too much, so maybe I need to do a bit more there.
Speaker B:Are those lines of communication open, or is it just you just don't talk as much as you should?
Speaker A:I think it's just trauma, you know, from the.
Speaker A:From the breakup and from the scenarios around that, and there's a lot of shame there.
Speaker A:So you've got to want to be a better version of yourself or be the best version.
Speaker A:I think that's what I was going to say before is what I've noticed is how fast you can change your identity.
Speaker A:So as someone that's got addictions, you, I can say, oh, I'm addicted to trying to get abs.
Speaker A:I've never had abs, so I'm addicted to trying to get those.
Speaker A:And last week was the first time I went to the gym in, like, three weeks because, I mean, I rolled my ankle, so that was another reason.
Speaker A:How come?
Speaker A:But I was like, okay, I'm gonna go.
Speaker A:And it was the best workout I've had in years.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so I can use that addictive personality if I aim it in the right direction.
Speaker A:But my point was I trick myself into doing it because I say things like, future Josh works out.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And then when I did it, like, I made it true.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:And I think.
Speaker A:But I think the power is in telling yourself that the future version of you does xyz, whatever that is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And I've noticed it's actually increased my motivation to vacuum or cook more, be more interested in what we're shopping for.
Speaker A:All of that sort of.
Speaker A:Sort of stuff.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:When I'm with.
Speaker A:Out with my friends, I'm less, like trying to zone out and more trying to chat to them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I'm finding it's having a compounding effect, is that future Josh would also do these other things because I started talking like that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I found a lot this year.
Speaker B:I've been saying probably the opposite.
Speaker B:Like past me would have.
Speaker B:Would work out this much.
Speaker B:And there's.
Speaker B:Most of the time I'm like, I don't know if I can go through it all again.
Speaker B:Like, I'm probably the most unfit I've been.
Speaker B:But that's, you know, it's not because it's just.
Speaker B:Is what it is because of everything that's happened this year.
Speaker B:But like, it's got to a point where, like, I do wanted, like, I. I'm trying to keep my steps up now just to.
Speaker B:To get back into it and slowly get back into it.
Speaker B:But yeah, just when you said that, I was like, I've actually probably said the opposite.
Speaker B:Past Rocky would have done this and now I'm like, ugh.
Speaker B:Like, I know how much work it's going to be.
Speaker B:And like, I'm.
Speaker B:That's so I'm just sort of like, oh, I don't know if I.
Speaker B:Like, obviously I want to and I'll get there.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:I just noticed that myself.
Speaker A:I mean, I think words are.
Speaker A:Words are more powerful than what we give credit for and the signposts.
Speaker A:And I think, like, me personally, I think that's probably why you're not doing it, is because it.
Speaker A:It's a negative.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And so I would avoid saying, well, that.
Speaker A:Well, sorry.
Speaker A:I'm going to focus on making sure that every word that comes out of my mouth is.
Speaker A:Is positive because future Josh talks more positive.
Speaker A:And I don't.
Speaker A:Sounds a bit dicky saying that out loud, but that's sort of like how I'm noticing that that's got carrier effects.
Speaker A:Like, I only did one workout in three weeks.
Speaker A:But just my attitude to work, my conversations I'm having with clients and students and colleagues have been richer.
Speaker A:And I think that's.
Speaker A:I know that that's got something to do with it is.
Speaker A:And I mean, you got to Be careful as well that you're.
Speaker A:Because what you're saying is that you're trying to get back to fit when you were your fittest.
Speaker A:And you're.
Speaker A:And you.
Speaker A:You're saying, oh, I'm here and I want to get here.
Speaker A:And that's the.
Speaker A:That's too far.
Speaker A:I see that as too far.
Speaker A:But a couple things.
Speaker A:It's probably there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's way up there.
Speaker B:Way up there.
Speaker A:It's probably way worse.
Speaker A:But also, like, that's.
Speaker A:You don't want to go back.
Speaker A:You want to.
Speaker A:You want a different dimension this year and go somewhere else.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But you can't do that if you're thinking about the old version.
Speaker B:Yeah, Right.
Speaker A:That's who you were.
Speaker A:That's not who you are.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then what you've got to do is you got to go evidence.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like last week, how many walks did you do?
Speaker A:I didn't do this week, how many did you do?
Speaker A:I doubled it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So, like, when you give yourself evidence, you've got to double down and remember that.
Speaker A:Because we forget.
Speaker A:I think that's what you talked about before is like, the amount of times I've talked about things to you.
Speaker A:And then the next week, completely gone off the.
Speaker A:What do they call it?
Speaker A:Off the plantation and gone out of my mind and completely forgotten to apply.
Speaker A:Like, it's.
Speaker A:It's not enough to know the answers.
Speaker A:Yeah, you have to apply them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, every slow step I take and then I'm like.
Speaker B:I notice it does affect other aspects of my life.
Speaker B:And, like, people can tell, like people at work and tell that, you know, they're like, oh, you.
Speaker B:A lot more upbeat.
Speaker B:And in the afternoons I go downhill.
Speaker B:But, yeah, it's just my energy levels.
Speaker B:That's what I need to sort out.
Speaker B:But yeah, just when you said.
Speaker B:Also when you said that we change our, you know, our personality or identities, like in a.
Speaker B:In a switch.
Speaker B:Like, my wife will say it and everyone will say it.
Speaker B:Like, when I'm with my granddaughter, they're like, you're like the happiest, most, like, I guess, you know, dorkiest like, person.
Speaker B:Like, he's just, you know, and that's just.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, yeah, I can tell afterwards.
Speaker B:But while I'm in it, I'm just like, you know, playing with her and like.
Speaker B:Yeah, they don't see that sort of side of me much.
Speaker B:Like, the, you know, the girl Granddad sort of comes out and it changes everything.
Speaker B:And yeah, you do get your youth back.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:It makes me just the aspect of everything that's sort of the change of direction for, like, men and how we're trying to get.
Speaker B:I feel like it.
Speaker B:I feel like the view of men constantly changes every now and then with my granddaughter and with your daughters, what do you reckon, what do you reckon they need from a man once they sort of get, like, grow up, like.
Speaker B:Because I. I definitely wasn't ready when, you know, when I had my son, the oldest, you just grow up instantly.
Speaker B:And like, being a dad was.
Speaker B:Came quite easy to me, but the relationship with his mum wasn't easy because we were so young.
Speaker B:And I think.
Speaker B:I think we think once we sort of hit that age that we're.
Speaker B:We're men and blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:But, yeah, you're not ready sort of for what being a man, you know, sort of comes with.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's levels and layers to it.
Speaker A:So it's like, currently, I think that we definitely underserve the feminine.
Speaker A:I think as men as a whole, we've got it in our heads that we're the top and we're the prize.
Speaker A:And that makes absolutely no sense to me at the level that I'm at now is that we should be lucky that females let us exist on this planet.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:As an honor and a privilege to even be in the same room as a female.
Speaker A:Even if it's your mom or your friend or your auntie or your partner, doesn't matter who it is.
Speaker A:Like, that's Mother Earth, that's the Divine incarnate walking, that they can create life.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so I think that that would be a good place to start, is to realize that our purpose on this planet is to be of service as a protector and as a provider and as a place of peace for our whine.
Speaker A:And I think when we start to take those steps, the world will get better.
Speaker A:Do I see that happening slowly?
Speaker A:I definitely see it happening slowly.
Speaker A:There's a lot of positive men that, that are coming out and, and speaking up for women's rights around the world.
Speaker A:And, and, you know, I can think of is the guys in Christchurch with the.
Speaker A:She is not your rehab, you know, like, just saying it with your chest of how important females are to, to the planet and, and how important their, their energy is if they're in a loving relationship, you know, and, and that could be grandfather, granddaughter, it doesn't matter what the relationship is, but if they're, if they're supported, they can just turn dust into gold.
Speaker B:Mm.
Speaker A:And, yeah, I think that's a good place to start.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Through my whole.
Speaker B:When I was young, even now, especially with my wife, I'm always like, oh, well, I was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I never understood why women would date me at all, so.
Speaker A:Put up with us.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I was like.
Speaker B:Like I'd sit there, especially with my wife.
Speaker B:I'm like, I don't know why you.
Speaker B:Why even.
Speaker B:Why even put up with me?
Speaker B:Why.
Speaker B:Why are you even with me for?
Speaker A:But don't tell them.
Speaker A:Don't tell them.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker A:Yeah, they, they.
Speaker A:I mean, I used to joke about this all the time, but I think every single man that gets to date a woman is punching.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:100.
Speaker A:Like, I've yet to meet a couple where that isn't.
Speaker A:Hasn't been proven true, you know, and sometimes you just have to let the man talk for five minutes and go, holy, you're really punching.
Speaker B:That's why.
Speaker B:That's why.
Speaker B:That's why Rocky.
Speaker B:Suits me.
Speaker B:I've been punching my whole life.
Speaker A:Love it.
Speaker A:Love it.
Speaker A:And then, like, I think because, like, for me, I would say, like, I normally meet your wife, but I would say, like, she's a lucky lady.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because there's just some type of men that meet that requirement of being a man.
Speaker A:And I think that, that, that it only takes a couple of women to put us in that place.
Speaker A:And so I hope every man.
Speaker A:That's what they're looking for finds that.
Speaker B:And I guess when I think about it, like, the.
Speaker B:Where I'm at today or, you know, where.
Speaker B:Where I've been at for a while now, as quote, a man, blah, blah, blah, is probably because I was raised with just women and you understand, you know, the good ones, the good ones anyway, about how, how to treat them and you know, that you know when to step back, when.
Speaker B:When they're talking to you, like when they're yelling just to take a step back.
Speaker B:And you don't always have to be that protector.
Speaker B:And I guess, yeah, where I'm at as a man right now is because of the woman that have been in my life.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:I just got something that I've been asking a few of.
Speaker B:A few of my mates and stuff, but I just wanted to ask you while we're here, like, I had.
Speaker B:I had a lot of people, like, support me and message me through this year.
Speaker B:You were definitely one of them, like, just supporting me through the cancer and everything like that.
Speaker B:I guess not even just for me,.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:I'm using this as an Example, how was it to find.
Speaker B:How was it supporting someone with something that you had no control over?
Speaker B:Like, especially when I feel like.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker B:Might be wrong here, but I feel like we're, like, we're the same.
Speaker B:Like, I.
Speaker B:Like, I don't like to control everything, but I know I want to know sort of, you know, where something's heading and I just want to know how.
Speaker B:How was it supporting me through something where none of us sort of knew the outcome?
Speaker A:I think that's quite.
Speaker A:It's quite a tough question for a couple of things.
Speaker A:Like, I've got.
Speaker A:I gotta add an answer that popped up, but the fact that the answer popped up sort of like made it about me.
Speaker A:And I think that was.
Speaker A:That's the hard part is that, you know, it wasn't.
Speaker A:It wasn't me that.
Speaker A:That was going through that.
Speaker A:That issue.
Speaker A:So it is someone that I've got a lot of time for that that I respect greatly.
Speaker A:That that is you know, really providing an environment for where you can share information, knowledge and wisdom for future generations, especially females in this case, like my daughters.
Speaker A:And it was as easy as breathing.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:It like.
Speaker A:It would have been.
Speaker A:It would have been like holding my breath for a whole day to not.
Speaker A:And it seems like a little bit of a wanky thing to say, but, yeah, it's.
Speaker A:I don't think I've.
Speaker A:Thought about it enough, really.
Speaker A:I don't think I thought about how serious it was.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:Just knew that a friend needed some support and that was something that I just didn't even hesitate to do.
Speaker A:Especially for, you know, like, I've got a very small circle.
Speaker A:Probably got about 10 people that I would consider, you know, true OGs, true, true friends that I would give a left nut for.
Speaker A:You know, like, literally, like, I might.
Speaker B:Have needed it, mate.
Speaker B:I might have needed that.
Speaker B:Lucky I didn't.
Speaker A:Yeah, actually, you have the right one.
Speaker A:The left one's not over.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, I think I'd gone through that with my.
Speaker A:My dad who.
Speaker A:Who went through chemo and pancreatic cancer two Christmases ago was when he finished his chemo.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And I think you've just opened up a thing.
Speaker A:There's a lot of.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Opportunities for me to do some work in that space, I think, is that I. I struggle to have an opinion.
Speaker A:I struggle to.
Speaker A:Because it feels like I'm making it about me.
Speaker A:And that's a.
Speaker A:That's a.
Speaker A:That's a shame response that I need to chat about with someone at some stage, I think.
Speaker A:And it's probably because I had to be tough for my dad.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:When he went through it.
Speaker A:So I was probably holding onto that residual to do it to you.
Speaker A:But when you said that then.
Speaker A:And that became more real and then I got to reflect on that.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's quite a lot of.
Speaker A:Quite a lot of emotion there.
Speaker A:Quite quite.
Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was.
Speaker B:It's just something that, like, I just wanted to ask people because, like during that time, even just a message every now and then, like, I know it's just a message and you know, it takes what, 10 seconds to text?
Speaker B:But like, like, it meant a lot to me with like just people just sending the text message, just thinking about sending a text message and I didn't expect anything like.
Speaker B:Else.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was just a emotional time and just.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just receiving those text messages or people just checking up on me just meant the world and.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then I started thinking about like times with my grandmother who was in New Zealand and I was in Australia and you're just so far away and you can't.
Speaker B:You can't do anything.
Speaker B:And you know, I always felt sort of.
Speaker B:I guess it is that shame that I wasn't home for her then.
Speaker B:And I just think it's a good thing to sort of talk about.
Speaker B:About how.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:When you can't help someone physically, what sort of emotion are you going through?
Speaker B:I guess one final sort of question.
Speaker B:What are you still rebuilding with yourself?
Speaker A:I think I'm doing a lot of as of like this week.
Speaker A:A lot of like, what do I want my, my identity to be?
Speaker A:What do I want to say?
Speaker A:I do.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:What do I.
Speaker A:Or, you know, and I'm going to choose that.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like people say, if you won the lotto, what would you do every day?
Speaker A:And I would.
Speaker A:I would work out and I would shoot hoops and.
Speaker A:And just become the best version of me at 45 years old.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And that could be enough.
Speaker A:I've had some realization that I might have been chasing an identity that wasn't.
Speaker A:Like my whole thing was I always wanted to be the best at whatever I did.
Speaker A:So when I wanted to be the best basketball trainer, I figured out who does that.
Speaker A:It's a company called 9 possible.
Speaker A:Figured out there's a guy in Auckland, you can go and train with him and learn about that.
Speaker A:So I went up and worked with Aaron and I became the best basketball trainer in New Plymouth.
Speaker A:But my training, there's.
Speaker A:There's like, nobody's beaten down my door to train with me.
Speaker A:So did I just do that for my ego or did I do it because there was a need?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think that sort of answers that question perfectly.
Speaker A:Is that was a little bit of.
Speaker A:A little bit of ego.
Speaker A:And so hard lesson learned.
Speaker A:Lots of dollars invested, lots of time invested for tap on the back that didn't come because there's no one back there that needs my help.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:They're in the bigger cities.
Speaker A:I'm in too small of a pond for being a specialist in something that I love.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so I think that's a tough lesson learned is that, you know, you can, you can study and you can intellectualize a lot of things and be the best, but if you live in a town of 20,000 people that can't afford to pay you for what you've qualified in, then what was the point?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And, you know, then if the kids that you're training ADHD and have struggled today in class and then they come to you and they're hanging off the rafters and they're not listening.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you're like, what am I doing?
Speaker A:And it's like, well, you knew what you were doing.
Speaker A:You just, you know, you just listen to the ego instead of, you know, And I think that's something that you've got to be okay with, things not being okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's probably what I'm.
Speaker A:Where, where I'm going with that is like, you know, no one's going to be mad that I wasn't the best basketball trainer in New Plymouth.
Speaker A:Like, my daughter's not going to care.
Speaker A:No one's going to bring that up at the funeral.
Speaker A:Like, it doesn't, it doesn't matter as much as I thought it did.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, why don't I pick up golf?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Be the 25th best golfer at 45 that plays.
Speaker A:Also plays basketball.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, yeah, it doesn't, you know, no one's going to talk about that at my funeral either, so.
Speaker A:Well, hopefully what they are going to talk about is that if they have some issues like what we're talking about and they reached out, I help them with that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, because I think that's.
Speaker A:And if it happens, cool.
Speaker A:And if it doesn't, cool.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And I've got to be.
Speaker A:I've got to be okay with that, but then I've also got to be okay with putting my time and my effort into the people that need it the most.
Speaker A:And I think you hit that on the head.
Speaker A:Is that the ones that are, you know, under your roof and you know, the ones that are in your circle, you need to reach out to them more because life is so short and can be taken away like that.
Speaker A:I mean, someone saying the other day that if you go into the sun at any stage during the day, you get cancer and your body just in a tiny, small amount in some of your cells and then your body fights that off and destroys those cells before the end of the day.
Speaker A:And you just repeat that forever.
Speaker A:And it's just when it's too much that it, that it gets there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Wild through this year, I just felt like the whole world had turned upside down.
Speaker B:Not just mine, but I felt like the world had gone slightly crazy.
Speaker B:And I know just there's a lot of things I like, I want to talk about, but probably the main thing with you is like it was just the crazy.
Speaker B:2027 Has just been crazy.
Speaker B:The whole world, you know, I feel like has just lost their mind.
Speaker B:But the biggest thing is this is probably like LeBron James signing with the Sixers.
Speaker B:I think it was probably.
Speaker B:I think that was probably the biggest, craziest thing I remember getting.
Speaker B:I got a message from my son at like 2 o' clock in the morning.
Speaker B:Just saying LeBron signed was like, oh, like this could probably wait till I get up, but I can't also, so I need to get up.
Speaker B:And it was just, just getting Jaylen Brown and then, and then LeBron James.
Speaker B:I don't know if it's going to work, but it's going to be, it's going to be entertaining.
Speaker A:Oh, dude.
Speaker A:I actually, funnily enough, I don't know if I should even say this, but when you had cancer, I was wondering if, like when people go like, make a wish and you're like, I wish.
Speaker B:This is what I'm talking about.
Speaker A:I wonder if.
Speaker B:Anyway, this is what I'm talking about.
Speaker B:Even though you used it up and like my two other teams, like New Zealand warriors are killing it and then around the Fremantle Dockers and the AFL were killing it and I was just.
Speaker A:Like, this might be your fault.
Speaker B:If I have to go through this just for some, like, just for some championships in my life, that's just, you know, I'm not going to die from it.
Speaker B:It's just going to be a hell four months.
Speaker B:If this is what I have to do for the teams, you know, this is what I'm going to do.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:So that's the die hard part about it.
Speaker A:I mean, I think on paper Philadelphia are the champs.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Well, but if MB Gets hurt when.
Speaker A:And let's pull it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, you got to pull out a 50.
Speaker A:50 Coin and flick that.
Speaker A:I mean, as soon as that happens, the team's cooked.
Speaker A:And in my opinion.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I know they've got Taco Fall, and he could be serviceable, but, I mean, I just did some research today, and, like, on paper, the spurs beat them and in the finals.
Speaker A:The Knicks beat them in the finals.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But they've got some.
Speaker A:They've got some teamwork.
Speaker A:And I mean, I think that's.
Speaker A:That's the perfect part about that team, is that they played team basketball.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And it just showed that it's all you need.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And rebounding, man, Aaron Fox, dribble that ball out, bro.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Don't get my son started about him on the Spurs.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So I got the spurs beating them.
Speaker A:I had Oklahoma beating them.
Speaker A:I've got Minnesota beating them.
Speaker A:Minnesota is stacked.
Speaker A:But again, that's.
Speaker A:If LaMelo goes a bit wild and who knows?
Speaker B:That's like a lot of things.
Speaker B:Like, it's a long season, people gonna get injured.
Speaker B:But, yeah, it's going to be an entertaining one.
Speaker A:I mean, if they don't.
Speaker A:I mean, because you're gonna.
Speaker A:You're gonna load management, Embiid and LeBron through the whole season anyway, so come playoffs, I mean, they're going to be so tough to be.
Speaker B:You'd hope.
Speaker B:You'd hope they're ready for players.
Speaker A:Like, they've literally got four guys on their squad that could potentially be the MVP of the league.
Speaker A:Like, that's.
Speaker A:That's a super team if ever I saw it.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't.
Speaker A:I don't hate on that.
Speaker A:Like, I love LeBron.
Speaker A:Like, he's.
Speaker A:I think he's the goat.
Speaker A:I used to be a Jordan goat guy, but then I just thought if I was talking to a young kid and I wanted them to model their career on a superstar.
Speaker A:That was in the goat conversation.
Speaker A:I would want them to play like LeBron and train like LeBron and prepare like LeBron and rehab like LeBron.
Speaker B:So, hey, if he brings a championship to Philadelphia, he might.
Speaker B:I might agree with you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't even know if he needs to do that, but if anybody can, it's him.
Speaker A:Like, the way that he moves the ball and he'll get the right people the ball.
Speaker A:And if, you know, if Edgecombe and Brown and Maxi get injured, it's.
Speaker A:They're going to cause nightmares for teams all Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I mean on the flip side, can they, can they defend and Embiid needs to.
Speaker A:He's going to be put in the pick and roll and then he's going to get isoed and you know, he can't handle any of those top guards, the Lucas, the lamelos, the, the shot Shays on the.
Speaker A:If they switch off, I got a feeling that's what they'll do.
Speaker A:Which is wild.
Speaker A:America and NBA is the only places where they switch the screens which is like you got a five foot guy and a seven foot guy.
Speaker A:Why don't you just.
Speaker A:Five foot guy stay with the five foot guy and the seven foot guy stay with the.
Speaker A:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like it's like, you know, but they always switch and they don't switch back and yeah, it's wild.
Speaker B:Every time it happens to embed, I just, my heart, my stomach just drops.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh no, here we go.
Speaker B:Something, something wild's about to happen.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Apart from.
Speaker A:I'm excited.
Speaker B:Apart from opening night in the playoffs.
Speaker B:I don't care when they play, to be honest.
Speaker B:They need to play first game against the Knicks and the first home game and then after that they take the whole year off because yeah, I'm sure with the team they've got, they'll make it anyway.
Speaker B:But yeah, it's going to be a good time.
Speaker B:How's the, how's the reception over there for the warriors at the moment?
Speaker B:Because in Australia, is it because people, people say it's huge.
Speaker B:Like can imagine it's huge.
Speaker B:But yeah, Australians tend to talk, talk things up a bit.
Speaker B:But so it is huge over there.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, you know, they're knocking on the door of something that for a long time has been a dream.
Speaker A:And you know, I mean we've still got issues with like if they lose, you know, that's going to be a, a busy night in the cells.
Speaker A:You know, don't want to laugh about or joke about, about that.
Speaker A:But unfortunately that's a sad part about New Zealand history is that, well, it's been a little while and if our teams don't.
Speaker B:When the All Blacks lose, it was, you know, the highest like crime rate and you know, all year if the All Blacks lost.
Speaker B:So yeah, now that's probably gone to the Warriors.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know if the warriors won.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, bro, it's been.
Speaker B:What are we, 20, 26?
Speaker B:We're looking at 32 years almost.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You just can't.
Speaker A:It'd be good for the warriors to win.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, on paper the warriors and on paper the, the Philadelphia 76s should, should win.
Speaker A:So I hope that goes that way.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, they got the team.
Speaker A:Dude, I'm afraid about kcp.
Speaker A:Like, that's a proven.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, it's probably more excited with.
Speaker B:Simons when they signed him.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's the one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Great pickups.
Speaker A:Like, how did these players get.
Speaker A:I mean, I'd be interesting to watch Miami play them as well.
Speaker A:Like that's going to be a cool team.
Speaker A:I hope they get Kyrie.
Speaker A:That'd be good.
Speaker A:I don't think he's signed for anybody yet.
Speaker B:But you know what?
Speaker A:Simmons back in the league.
Speaker B:I did see that.
Speaker B:I did see that.
Speaker A:Mark, I owe the world an apology about Ben Simmons.
Speaker A:I said he would be bastard player of all time.
Speaker B:Remember you said that last time.
Speaker B:And I always, every time I see him making the news, I always think of you.
Speaker B:I'm like, yeah, that's his fault.
Speaker B:He did win the fishing championship, though, so that was good for him.
Speaker A:Yes, I did.
Speaker A:I was big on Luca and I was big on Stephen Adams and I've got receipts for the first time, the first rookie game when everyone was hating on both of them.
Speaker A:I think that's the cool thing about sport though is if you can play it in any country.
Speaker A:You can play it in any country.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, you know, if you look at the breakers guys, there's not a single one of them that would be out of like the rotation.
Speaker A:In a 12 man rotation NBA, that might be 12th, maybe 13th if you're looking at like some of the rookies.
Speaker A:Yeah, but like the starters for sure would be 12th men in the NBA.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's just that sometimes that NBA is a business and it's who you know and it's doesn't always work out for everybody.
Speaker B:Have you seen those U Breakers uniforms?
Speaker A:Yeah, I like that.
Speaker B:They're so nice.
Speaker B:I was so nice.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, so nice.
Speaker B:It's better than the pink ones they came out with.
Speaker B:Not that I'm hating, but these new ones look top shelf rendered.
Speaker A:It'll look good in pink.
Speaker B:I've got a lot of pink, but I was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know about playing a sport in it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, I promise I won't shame you.
Speaker A:I say that, but I'm probably not gonna.
Speaker B:Thanks again for popping on.
Speaker B:Like I said it to you today, but I really like admire you and like proud of everything that you.
Speaker B:That you've been up to properly.
Speaker B:I always do I always learn a lot from you.
Speaker B:Just chatting to you.
Speaker B:One main thing I've learned today is in this time slot, the.
Speaker A:Sun.
Speaker B:The sun is right in my face, so the blinds will have to come down.
Speaker B:That's probably the main thing I've learned from today.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker B:Remember that?
Speaker B:Actually, when you came on and we started recording, then I was like.
Speaker B:I could feel.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, no.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker B:This goes for, like, more than 10 minutes.
Speaker B:It's going to be right on my heart.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:Yeah, like I said, I'm always proud of everything that you do and admire you.
Speaker B:And every time we.
Speaker B:We talk about doing a podcast, just.
Speaker B:Yeah, your.
Speaker B:Your attention to detail and everything is.
Speaker B:Yeah, I really.
Speaker B:Yeah, I really admire it.
Speaker A:I appreciate that, dude.
Speaker A:It's an honor and a privilege to chat with you and, you know, we go a long way and as brothers from other mothers and keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker A:I'm proud of you and what you're building and looking forward to the comeback and.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'll be buying a Philadelphia singlet this season for sure, bro.
Speaker B:They sold out so fast, I wasn't sure.
Speaker A:And get a WNBA one and, like, support like, Charlize or someone like that.
Speaker A:But they're expensive, like 200 bucks.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:It's just when that Leon James one came out that was just sold out within like two hours or something.
Speaker B:There's no way you could do it.
Speaker B:They just all bandwagon this, mate.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:It is just going to have to live through the pain.
Speaker A:I remember back in the day, we used to go on Eastpay or something like that.com and you go and like, you'd look at a team like the Bulls or whatever, and you could get a Jalen.
Speaker A:Jalen.
Speaker A:You get a Derek rose jersey for 120 bucks or something like that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But you could get a replica jersey with your name on it for 50.
Speaker A:And so I was working at a.
Speaker A:At a clothing shop at the time, playground, basketball stuff.
Speaker A:And I was like, to the owner, Shay, I was like, why don't we just put Jordan 23 on the back of this and get this scent?
Speaker A:And we did that.
Speaker A:So we went, all right, and we have a Dominic Wilkins Atlanta Hawks at this number and a Larry Bird Celtics number.
Speaker A:No, we made bank and it took them, like six orders for them to cotton on that.
Speaker A:We were like, technically selling a special record that was legit, was from the right store, but it didn't click that our last name wasn't Jordan and we were at number 23.
Speaker A:And like, we've been on a start run that summer.
Speaker A:I promise you, it was insane.
Speaker A:And then they realized, no, you can't do that because that's a real thing.
Speaker A:It is a real thing.
Speaker B:I love Playground.
Speaker B:That was good.
Speaker B:That was a good store.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I got a.
Speaker B:How long ago is that?
Speaker B:I reckon I must have been young.
Speaker B:19, 20.
Speaker A:21.
Speaker B:I remember going and grabbing like a Jamaica basketball singlet.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But it was so sick, bro.
Speaker B:And I went up and I can't remember who I was talking to, but it was a girl.
Speaker A:And I was just like Natalie or Ashley.
Speaker B:It was one of them.
Speaker B:And I was just.
Speaker B:You know when, you know when it's like when they put good looking girls out for like surveys and stuff and you start talking to them and then you're like, oh, can you do a survey?
Speaker B:So I got distracted.
Speaker B:And then she said the price of it and I was like, it was too late.
Speaker B:I had to pay it.
Speaker B:I had to buy it.
Speaker B:Anyway, I still got this thing.
Speaker B:It's still in mint condition.
Speaker B:Probably because I never wore it because it was so expensive.
Speaker A:Didn't fit.
Speaker B:Didn't fit.
Speaker B:Was way too big.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Anyway, the things you do.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:But yes.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'll be in contact, man.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Really appreciate you doing this.
Speaker B:And we'll do it again sometimes.
Speaker A:Sounds good.
Speaker B:Too easy.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker B:Thanks, brother.
Speaker A:You're welcome, man.
Speaker B:Cheers.
Speaker A:Have a good one.
Speaker A:See you too.
Speaker B:Bye.
Speaker A:Bye.
