Stephan Anagnostou: Gremlin In The Machine

 Hey, brother. What's been going on, man? How you been? Yeah. Good, good. Ooh, what's been going on? Fuck. A lot. A lot on my end. Yeah. I'm not gonna lie. I think a lot on both of our ends, actually. Yeah. Um, yeah. We both left. You left. Congrats. Yeah. I don't know, man. I keep wondering if it was the right decision. Yep, yep.

Yeah. You guys normal. Everyone I've spoken to has gone like, sort of gone through it as well, where they're just like, I'm not sure if, uh, and it's got nothing to do with the job either. It's got, it's got to do with the money. Uhhuh. A hundred percent. 'cause uh, the job's a job. Like it's just the same old shit every day.

Huh? Every day. Dealing with the same people, the same pricks. And that's before you leave the office. And you gotta go out and deal with the co, the community. Yep. Yep. Couldn't have said it any better. No. Um, I, I, I think, I think you've, you've hit the nail on the head because I had that exact same thought.

Um, probably for the first, I reckon five to six months, and then I hit this stage because I, I think it was a bit of a flop, right? Because. I left this gig quite comfortable. It was shit. In terms of the people and what you said, the people on both ends of the spectrum, both in the office and then outside of it.

And then I got this job at a university. Seemed really good on paper, seemed really good in the interviews. And then I get there and I was like, what the fuck have I done? Um, like we're talking this workplace. Offered in the interview. Mind you, they offered, you know, flexibility working from home, like the fucking dream, what you want.

like a workplace back in the: 1990

The, the, the manager, which I had a friendly conversation in the end before I left. Um, said to me, not said to me, but would like, yell at colleagues, like literally raise her voice like this 67-year-old just. Poor lady that, I don't know, I guess has lived a life, but you just can't treat people like shit.

And she would treat people like absolute garbage. And I've gone, nah, I'm not having this man. I'm out. So, because that's what I got into. Yeah, that's what I got into when I left. I was like looking up. I, not looking up, but seeing a lot about toxic managers and stuff like that in the workplace. Yeah. Yeah.

And it affects a lot of people. Like you don't wanna, like people got enough shit to deal with at home, let alone going to work and dealing with managers yelling at them. Well, she's saying anything constructive or she's just been a Nah man, nothing constructive. Like And that's the thing as a leader. Yeah.

Like I was fortunate enough, like in my previous career. To get into a leadership position. You know, like I I, I was coaching in the city and mentoring like new recruits. Like I love that. I love that part of the job and I'm, it's shattering that, that, that, that, you know, got sort of just deleted off the planet, um, isn't a thing anymore.

But I really love that part. And then, you know, to get promoted to a supervisory position, it was good. So I know what it takes to be a leader and I've known that like growing up. Yeah. But. This particular manager just had no leadership skills, nothing constructive, nothing to say, oh, you know, like, you've done this wrong.

Can you do this maybe next time or give some pointers? Can't lift a team. Nothing. Nothing at all. Like there was this scenario, she, I never forget it. She, I, it was my second week, I think. She comes into the office and she's like, all right, colleague A has been hit by a bus. Now you as me. Have to take colleague A or bs, whoever got hit by the bus, their workload, everyone just looked and went, whatcha on about?

What do you mean they've been hit by a bus? And mind you, colleague B is standing there not being hit by a bus. So we've all gone, whatcha like what the whatcha fucking talking about essentially? And um. I don't know. It was, it was nice. I, I guess after my three months being there, I was like, why the fuck have I been placed here in the world?

Like out of all places? Yeah. This is just as worse as it gets in my opinion. And then it's kind of nice 'cause I, I still have some relationships with the people that I've, um, worked with there. And I was only there just under three months, just shy of three months. Two of them have left, which is nice. And another one is trying to also exit.

So I think I was placed there to sort of wake these people up to say what you are, how you're getting treated is not right and it's not okay. And if you want to come in to work, having a panic attack on the train, mind you, this person would travel 50 minutes to get into the workplace. Yeah, that's okay.

But it's not. Sufficient. Yeah. Like, you're gonna go home, you're gonna be shitty, you're gonna be shitty with the kids, the hubby, yada, yada, yada. Like it's just shit. Don't do it. Um, it's just not sustainable. But yeah. Yeah. I, I, it was very, it was a very interesting experience, but that made me sort of like, think, do I regret leaving?

Yeah. The police force. And at the time I was like in the midst of it, I was like, yeah, like, oh shit, I shouldn't have done that. The money wasn't too bad at the university. I'm not gonna lie. But then I'm like, you know what? I am sick of just, you know, you know how it is getting treated like shit. Yeah. The same old, same old.

You're on repeat and yeah, it's cooked essentially. I think when you go into what they call the real. It amazed me how people allow themselves to get treated. I'm just like, that's, yeah. I'm not, I'm not standing up. I'm, I'm not, not like sitting down and taking this, I don't, I don't know how you guys do it.

Yeah. I don't know if that, um, affects like any future job, you know, or career paths for me, but I'm finding it hard to sort of assimilate back into the real world. Hundred percent. It takes its time and yeah, I think like, I don't know for you, like how many, if you, you know, you've been applying for jobs or whatever, or like how many interviews you've had, but it did take a while to get interviews for me.

You know, it wasn't like a quick, um, a quick fix. I had to like, go back and forth, readjust things on my, like, um, on my resume, my cover letter. Um. And then to sort of just really reflect as to what I wanted and where I wanted to go in my next sort of phase of, you know, career and work life journey. But yeah, it's not easy.

I'm not gonna lie. The whole pro, the whole, I find the whole process. Well, I found the whole process a bit strange. Um, yeah. Obviously I haven. I, I hadn't applied for anything for like 13 years. And then you sort of, you thought, you sort of start and then you're like, oh yeah, that looks good. And then the interviews roll along and I don't interview well as it is 'cause I'm just, I dunno if I get stuck and trying to tell them what they want to hear or, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Happens or you just overthink it. But sometimes you just like, Kay, just like talk to my. Instead of listening to me. 'cause I like, once I get in the job I'm gonna be fine. But, and most of them are done over like this, like through the, the phone and stuff like that, like on links and I'm just like this, I do not like the interview like that.

It's just so weird. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just like, I don't look at the camera like I'm looking up here and Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did one with a kidney infection and I was dying and. Oh yeah, that was like, was that two, three weeks ago? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I had to put everything off for a while. Yeah.

And she rang me back. She rang me back a couple weeks ago. She was like, were you all right that day? And I was like, no, I have no, I don't remember. I remember starting, and I remember finishing, but I don't remember. I'm like, any of your questions? She was like, well. That explains it. 'cause some of your answers were, she's like, I dunno what you're talking about.

Really. At least she's honest. Hey, that's a good, that's a good recruiter though, because some of them don't give feedback. Like some of them, just like I had one. Oh, it, it's still to this day, haven't heard anything from 'em. Nothing. Yeah. And that was, um, that was at Crown, actually. Crown Resorts. And I go, what the.

Jan, end of Jan. Got an interview. February, didn't hear nothing, man. Nothing completely ghosted since then. I followed up one email, didn't hear anything back. I'm like, nah, it's what, it's, it's not meant to be, but yeah. Do you know what though? Sometimes when they start giving me, well, when they all start, start giving me feedback, I'm like, I don't care when they go, oh, you didn't get it?

Yeah. Feedback. Why? I don't, I don't care, but I didn't get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, it's funny, like out of all of them, uh, like I applied for a lot of jobs, I'm not gonna lie. Mm-hmm. And when I got to, like January when I left the university role, I was very, I was a lot more picky with what I wanted.

Mm-hmm. I was like, nah, I'll, I'm gonna be picky in this industry. I wanna do this, I wanna do that. And it, it just gave me that time to sort of reflect and I give, I guess, give myself that moment of like. Self-reflection of like your worth, essentially like what you are worth in a job. And like you said earlier, job's just a job.

But at the end of the day, I want something fulfilling. You know, like something I can wake up to, not have a panic attack, rock up, enjoy it, go home, whatever. You know what I mean? Yeah. And like contribute to something. So in the end, when I went on this like rampage of applying for things that I knew in myself, I would be a really good fit for.

I really like took the time to dissect my resume, cover letters, et cetera, et cetera. I think I got, in the end, I got about two. I declined a few, but I got about 10 interviews right in the end. I declined a few. I got three job offers. No, I got more. I got four or five job offers and I've gone, all right, I know I can do this and I know I can get something that's a lot better than my previous employer, like, you know.

Being in the police force, but it took time and it took a lot of energy. And that's like the, that's the draining thing, is like you, you constantly. I felt like I was constantly chasing the right thing, but at the end of the day, I knew my end goal, um, like mine and my wife's end goal was to, you know, eventually pack up and move and just try something totally different and not be in limbo.

Yeah. 'cause that's what we felt for quite a long time, especially in the careers like you and I are in, like my wife's same thing, like she's a social worker by trade, so. It's people services and it's people managing and it's draining and tiring. So we just decided, nah, we'll pack up, we'll go overseas and try something totally different, which is really out of our fucking comfort zone.

So we're about tell you now, so right now we're about, tell you now. Yeah. Right now we're traveling through Thailand. Um, and then eventually, was that planned or Thailand was planned? Was Thailand planned? Okay. Yeah, Thailand was planned and then we're gonna be. We're traveling very soon back to Japan to see a friend.

Then from there we're going to Korea. Then from Korea we're gonna head over to Europe, and then eventually within a few weeks we're gonna be settling in the uk. So making the big jump and big move to the UK for a little bit. We don't know. We don't know if we're gonna be there for a year, maybe six months and hate it two years.

We dunno. We have no idea. Maybe, maybe 30, maybe 30 years. Maybe 30, maybe 40 might die there. I don't know. Yeah, it, and it's, it's weird to do that because we have never been, I guess the roles that we've always played, like in our families and stuff, have never given us the time or energy to, um, I guess think outside of what we really need and want.

Now we're sort of doing that, and that's really weird. That's a very weird feeling that we're both coming into groups with, but it's about acceptance and it's taking a lot of time to accept that. Well, yeah, I don't think a lot, I don't think a lot of people, um, have the guts or the courage to just completely change their whole life.

Yeah, I agree. And that's why a lot of, that's why a lot of people just stay in the jobs that they. Absolutely hate because people would rather be, um, comfortable than sort of test themselves. So how'd you find Japan? Japan was good. Japan's good. We've been there three times, so it's good. It didn't sound, it didn't sound a hundred percent.

Uh, it's good. Recently though, we had a really Shit, Airbnb. Yeah. So just when we were there a few weeks back, um. And then come here to do our work visa and stuff for the uk. Um, yeah, when we were there for the two weeks, it was all right. The first Airbnb was really shit like, it fucking had mold. It smelled like it was a complete nice, like it one of those, yeah.

Nice. It was one of those Airbnb fail stories, honestly, man, it was cooked and then. And then it got good. The trip got a lot better. It was a lot nicer. It was more calm. We found a nice place to stay at. So, but yeah. The, the world of travel. Yeah. Isn't it strange how. A bad experience for accommodation can change your whole, sort of, not change your whole outlook, but like it can change how you feel about a place.

Oh yeah, totally. Totally. Me and my wife stayed, do you know our rat in Victoria? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I booked a, I booked a, I booked an Airbnb at a, like a winery. Because she loves wine, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was all planned. Stay at the winery, you know, they have like tours of the winery, go see our rat.

So we, so we travel down there, um, on a Friday afternoon, get a flat tire in the middle of nowhere, have to wait for like an hour or hour and a half for the tow truck to come. Then we get to our rat. So that's not our rat's fault, but that's just, yeah. Part of it and then we get to our rat. It's a tiny home, beautiful like view of the winery.

You see kangaroo just jumping past beautiful. But so because we're tired 'cause of the flat tire. We'll do the winery and stuff the next day. So this is a Saturday, Sunday. Winery's not open. It hasn't been open for weeks and our rat is completely shut in the weekend. So we had nothing to do. We had nothing to do.

So we were stuck. So we were stuck in this no, end up being lovely, but it sort of just put me off our rat and I was like, man, never come back here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure lovely people would be, it would be Ghost Town, but I was like, what is, what is this town? What am I doing here? And anyway, luckily we found this good bloke who ch like changed our tires on the cheap and like be able to get back to yeah.

Back home. But Did you like hit, did you hit something like on the freeway or? It was a, it was a, um, it was a nail pothole. Oh, the nail. Yeah. So I don't know where or when, but, um, yeah, we're traveling. And the air pressure light went off and I was like, nah. Sometimes it just goes off. Yeah, yeah. For no reason.

As cars do. Yeah. Then they go in 110. Well, you know, that's the speed limit, but you go about 120, and then it was just like. Fast and the furious. I was just like varying off. I was like, fuck is going on here? Pulled over. I was just like, I was not having it. I was, I was so pissed and it was hot and you know, you can't, you can't sit in the car just in case you get cleaned up by a truck.

'cause there's like millions of trucks going down there. So we were standing on the. Side behind the barrier. Like a million flies just flying around. I was like, fuck this. Fucking, hopefully, you know, once we get there, it'll be, it'll be good. Have some wine. It just got, it just got worse and worse. Me and my wife will never go back to our rat ever again.

I don't care who's there, what's happening. We're not going back. Yeah, you're not going back. Yeah. Well just, just drive through it, ma, baby. Just drive. Just like drive. Just drive through it and give it the finger. You ruined that weekend. Hey, that's all right. You've cured your trauma, man. Just drive through it.

That's it. Oh, um, yeah. Oh. The one thing that interested me about you. Was doing Pilates.

Oh, I didn't see it coming. And then it sort of, sort of popped up on my Instagram. Yep. How, how'd you get into that? How did I get into it? Mm. Funny that, it's a funny old story. So a lot of pe a lot of people were very shocked by, you know, and they're like, oh, what the fuck is he doing? Like, that's, um, very left of field, let's just say that.

But I'll get into it. Um. It was interesting because I guess for me, I've always been into, like, I have always been into sports and that's something that unfortunately the job took away from me in terms of, you know, hours training, everything. Like it just rocked my world at the time. And then also being a carer for my mum, it took, it really just managing all those things was very difficult and I eventually.

The story of how this all unfolded was I had a neck injury and the neck injury. There's a few question marks of how it happened. Um, one neurosurgeon or specialist that I went to said it's because of the weight of the vest. Funny enough. Yeah. And we know people that have done their back, neck, whatever. I go, okay, I don't know if that's actually the case.

So went to another one and they said, yeah, it could be, but it's also this yada, yada yada. So they put me on a physio program. Never been in the physio ever. And this bloke was like, you need Pilates. I'm like, the fuck are you on about Pilates? Anyway, he is like, so. I'll give you a few exercises. The next week you come in, you're gonna try the machine, Pilates machine.

I'm like, the fuck is a Pilates machine? I had no idea what pol like. I had some idea of what Pilates was or is, and then I go there and he's like, yep, do. He showed me these exercises, gave me the run through. It was like a 45 minute session and in all the years of like playing sports and everything else.

Mind you, I was quite unfit at the time as well. I never realized like that machine fucking killed me like I was. Done. Done, I was done. And he wasn't doing anything very like out there, you know, like in terms of moves and exercises. And he said, if you can sort of get Pilates or reformer Pilates into your regime or like your trading schedule and build a trading schedule from that, your neck issues will essentially resolve.

And I'm like, oh, I don't know about that. 'cause one neurosurgeon said I needed surgery, yada, yada, yada. That was three years ago. So from that date, I slowly went into studios like. And I'm like, oh yeah, this is kind of not my vibe. Like I need like a mix of classes and clientele coming in. Um, and then I eventually found a studio, which was really, really good.

And I just went weekly on the repeat. I just like had that old discipline mindset, kept going, kept going, kept going. And I had a C four to C five, like it was pinching essentially the, um, nearing the spinal cord, which is like. Alarm bells if you can't correct it with rehab, yada, yada, yada, you need surgery essentially.

Um, I managed to correct it all through reformer Pilates, and then I've gone this, this shit's really good, and then the head trainer at my studio, or the studio that I was working at was like, Hmm. Have you ever thought of teaching Pilates? I'm like, what the fuck are you on about? Literally, I never forget the first conversation.

And I walk outta there and I'm like, you know what, what she's doing with her clients? And you've got clients that are in their, that are in their fifties, in their sixties, that can hold a plank for three and a half minutes, which is just unheard of. Yeah. Uh, not unheard of, but very uncommon and. You've got pregnant women coming through that are like in their 30th week in their last trimester that are like doing all these, this fucking crazy shit.

And I'm like, they're getting so much out of it in terms of their self-confidence and everything. And then I thought about it and a week later I'm like, all right, tell me, tell me what I gotta do. I'll do it. I don't give a fuck. I know there's not many male instructors, which there is not in Melbourne's West.

It's picking up now, but when I started, I started instructing, or I started the course end of December of last year, and I sort of flew through the course and then started teaching, I think it was March, 'cause I needed to get my practice hours under wraps. And then I've started to see quite a few more. I guess coming, um, into the industry, male instructors.

'cause I think it's really good in terms of sports like rehab, it's amazing for rehab, any sports, basketball, football. When I'd say football, I mean soccer, but you know, like a FL, like anything, any, any, anything. I think it's amazing. So that's purely why I got into it, purely from a rehab stance. And then I just saw like everyone around me as a collective how much they were getting out of it.

And I'm like, nah, I gotta jump on board because I know for me how good it feels to like, see people that you've helped and you can walk through to make them feel confident in themselves. Like, you know what, 50, 60 year old's gonna think I can do a PLT for three minutes, but they can, you know? Mm-hmm. So it's very rewarding.

Like I don't do it full-time. I'll never do it full-time. I'll probably never open a studio, but I will always want to do it in some sort of fashion, whether it's, you know, teaching a few classes a week. But I couldn't think anything worse of running a studio myself, because there's a fucking lot of work involved with it.

Yeah. Like. Oh man, man. What's the positive side like especially for I guess, males. 'cause obviously women do it a lot. It's very female dominated. Yeah. What can men get out of it? Like what's the, a lot, aside from rehab, like what does it, what does it sort of work out? What does it sort of strengthen? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You can build strength everywhere. You will never have a workout, in my opinion. That could. Target your core, especially your core. 'cause I love core workouts and stuff. Um, and like AB series and whatnot. And honestly, there's no machine in my opinion. Then a reformer Pilates machine that can absolutely make your core essentially cry and make you wanna walk out of there crying.

But it's everything. You can strength load on a reformer, you can. You can do everything and anything on a reformer machine, like there's this, me and the head instructor, there's this term called Pilates arms. So essentially you've got. Small arms because of the, you, you, you, you're working on flexibility and mobility, which is amazing, and especially for blokes, it's amazing.

But what about like building strength? Can you build strength on a reformer? Yes, you can because you've got props to use. You've got, uh, a lot of resistance. Um, like it's kind of like using resistance bands, but it's not, it's its own entity and it's its own. It's just its own thing. And it's very hard to describe sometimes, but also strength floating.

I know some male instructors that you know, are lifting 30 kilo, 40 kilos, single dumbbells in a class that's gonna build strength no matter, you know, I mean, if you can lift that amount of weight, um, that's gonna build strength. So you're building strength, you're building a lot of mobility, which I find amazing.

Like there were these guys that, um. They play basketball. They're semi-professional and I remember chatting to one of them, they come through the studio and they said, it's done amazing things for me. I can pivot my foot a lot better, I can jump higher. My hip flexors have simply just opened up in Pilates, whereas when he was doing the gym, I think he did swimming and something else, it's like, yeah, you kind of get that mobility and flexibility in those areas.

But he is like, with reform, he is like, it's just a total game changer. So like those guys utilize it in terms of their training structure. And I think what a lot of blokes don't realize. A lot of the professional, when I say football, I mean soccer teams. Um, they'll utilize reformer Pilates or even Mat Pilates in their training regimes.

They'll do it at least once a week, 45 to 55 minutes. And you can see this one on their socials. Two with interviews with their, um, performance specialists or, um, the performance in sports and training, performance analysis and whatnot. They will say openly, yeah. As a part of their, um, training regime.

You've got Pilates that's incorporated plus a bunch of other different shit. But it does to me like how much it's opened your hips as a bloke. You don't realize how much you actually can't move your hips around and shit like that. But you know, you can deter injuries like. Uh, there's, there's so many benefits.

Like, uh, honestly, I, I can't speak more highly enough of it. Um, but it's very hard, especially in a very female dominated industry, which it is, it's very, very female dominated. Um, but I think what a lot of blokes don't realize is a lot of these, like a lot of the females and whatnot, are very, very strong and, you know.

I dunno, they can hold a plank definitely longer than a lot of the other blokes. Or they can do a lunge, they can do certain things that us as blokes cannot do so well. Yeah, it's very interesting. Very, very interesting. It's opened my eyes, that's for sure. Because it, I used to look at some videos and get, think to myself, that doesn't look too hard.

But the caveat that with. I thought the same with, I thought the same with yoga. And then I tried that. I was like, fucking, I was dying. I couldn't believe it. Yeah. Yeah. And I've seen some big boys try to do Pilates and they just, yeah, they're, they're dying. Yeah. They're dead. Yeah. Literally dead. Like, and that's the thing, like, um, I, it's a, it's a bit unfortunate 'cause I haven't had.

I've had exposure to like training Sun blokes, but it'd be good to see a lot more guys come through because yeah, they humble's a man. Like I, I did a whole training, uh, a session with a, um, a, like a soccer team and man, they were, they were okay. They weren't bad. I've seen a lot worse, but like, you know, the mobility and flexibility, they're just not used to it 'cause.

You know, on a football pitch, they're running, they're high impact. They're focusing on strength, which is all good and well, and you do need that definitely, but you also need the other side of it as well. Um, that's my opinion anyway. Having played the sports as well, I can definitely see the, the pros to doing it.

There's more pros that outweigh the cons, that's for sure. I can't actually think of one con. Yeah, maybe it takes a bit more time out of like training on the pitch, but. So does it take, it, it's really, do you need anything specific when you start or do you just rock up to a studio? Uh, in terms of like, as a, as a client?

Um, yeah. I would just rock up to a studio, but make sure you've got a towel. 'cause you're gonna sweat, like, you're gonna sweat like bullets. Um, depending on the studio, like a lot of studios will do casual walk-ins. I know in Melbourne they do, for example, in Japan, they don't, they're, they're a bit, they're very different in Japan.

I mean Thailand as well have found. Um, but. You walk in, give it a go, and if it's for you, it's for you. But you know, like you'd wear at the gym, you know, shorts, a t-shirt, like a nice, you know, air slim t-shirt that you can air out and definitely bring a towel. 'cause you will sweat like a fucking, oh man.

Yeah. I can't even word it. Yeah. Honestly, I remember my first session and I'll go, what? Like, I, I didn't bring a towel. And, uh, the physio said to me, he is like, bring a towel, bring something. I, I didn't, I'm like, no, it won't be hard. Like, I honestly thought the exact same thought every person has. It won't be hard.

Nah, man, it fucking humbled me. It, it'll humble anyone, anyone, no matter your fitness. If you've never done it, it will humble you. Right. That's when I, I remember when I first started Jiujitsu. And this, yeah. I re I reckon she was about 12 and she tapped me like three times. I was like, what is happening here?

Yeah. Oh, that's so good. You wanna, you wanna know your place and the world? Yeah. You go to Juujitsu and like go to get, get a, like, face a little girl and she'll, she'll tap you out. She'd been doing it her whole life and you think you're, you're just gonna, oh, overpower her and she just starts choking you like, you, like she's laying on top of you or like on, on your back, just choking you.

You're like, yeah. Like you said before, what am I doing here? Like what, what have I done? I dunno, like Yeah, that's what I mean. Like it's nice to be humbled sometimes. Yeah. Because sometimes you think you're strong and invincible, like honestly, sometimes you do. And especially in the fucking work that we were in, you were taught to think that, um, mate, there's so many people that are better and bigger and stronger and Oh yeah, yeah.

Like 12 girls. Jujitsu. You, you're never gonna learn if you're comfortable, like I was saying before, like if, if you just, you know, do the same exercises that you're used to, you're not gonna work different parts of your body that have never worked before. Mm. Um, and you do juujitsu, you do boxing or whatever.

You just, if you just keep beating on the people that you can beat, who's learning, like no one's learning anything. Nah, exactly right. You're just rocking up and doing the same thing. Yeah, he's getting his fucking head kicked in and you're just having fun, like you're not learning anything. No, you're not.

But yeah, a lot, A lot of people were really shocked, like they message me and they go, what? What the hell? Like it's funny perception as well. Um. Like, oh, you left the police force to be a Pilates instructor. It's like, no, this is just my psychic thing. And your, your opinion does not matter anyway. Like Yeah, like, you know, a lot of outside, um, voices and it, it's, it's very funny to hear people's opinions and perceptions because I find they're very warped, especially when they're still sitting in that same comfortable.

Seat that they're not going out there and you know, trying you and different things like, yeah, fuck Pilates instructor, whatever.